TO PHILL12 (SOFTBALL DAD ON TUG)

Phill, you're a regular poster here on Redweek, yet you go to Tug and bash this site often. What's your problem?

Redweek has it's own exchanging rules, just as RCI and II do. You keep insisting that Redweek accepts member exchanges made via RCI in order for Redweek members to rent those exchanges here. That's simply not true. Even the posters at Tug are calling you out on your bashing of Redweek. What did Redweek ever do to you for you to dislike it so and if you dislike this site so much, why do you continue to post here?

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64067

BTW, Redweek is one of the top timeshare ad sites recommended by Tug.

Jayjay/Gingin for someone that was banned from Tug you spend a lot of time on Tug reading all the post! You like to go on there and cherry pick parts of post that fit into what you want to ***** about back here on Redweek. I stated my opinion on a post about Redweek exchanging and people renting units they get in exchange on here even though they do not own them and I disagree with this!

I know you think your the only one that can express a opinion on these sites but don't ever try and tell me not to have a opinion or express it. I would love to have you face to face and see how much you run your mouth off! I have stayed out of your way for the most part so I wouldn't have to go back and fourth and you still want to start something! I know you think this is best site mainly because from what I understand its one of the few you are not banned from! I am a member on here and have paid money to run ads to rent so I spend more money on here than you as a non-owner of timeshares do.

If Redweek takes my unit and gives to someone else in a exchange and they rent my unit I will be responsible for any damage renter doesn't pay for! This is from the mouth of my resort manager.Next you will be calling him a liar too!

As far as Tug people not agreeing with me, it is because some are already taking advantage of this rule and grabbing higher tier units and renting them out. Redweek system lets owners deposit lower tier units {more than one} and building their points up. By doing this they can grab higher tier resort units renting them out for profit! They talk how they deposit their losers and build up points so if something pops up they grab it to rent out for profit. This is going to be the down fall of the Redweek Exchange because at some point owners will not deposit a good resort just to get a lower tier resort or off season.

You come on here and call me a liar because I repeated information read from other timeshare forums and demand I prove it to you. First I don't need to prove anything to such a obnoxious women as yourself! Try reading and posting full write up on a subject. You cherry pick just what you want and try to make some point that you are the protector of Redweek! You do this cherry picking of many on here and have statements show up the way you want them so you can then try and attack the poster who wrote it. Your full of so much bad information that you try and spread just to try and make others look bad and yourself good. Most people on here know this and new people learn fast of your ridiculous spiel.

Everyone in these deals making a profit here except the owner but you wouldn't understand this because you do not own a timeshare! You just sit on the side lines and tell everyone on here what to do even though you have no horse in this race! Most people after getting out of timeshare ownership move on in life and forget these forums.

PHILL12

Just a follow up to my reply to your rude post jayjay!

I like most people that have enjoyed Redweek and being totally sick of you will not be renewing my membership. I will like others that have left this site as a member will come back as a guest only at times! Last day of Redweek membership is Dec 12,2009 and last day Redweek gets any of my money!

I feel the same as others that no longer come to Redweek that its just not worth the time and effort to put up with your bull. Only choices are to fight with you and have Redweek delete the post or as I have done many times,just not respond to your rude,irritating,ridiculous spiel.

It's a shame Redweek lets you get away with all this bull!

PHILL12

The problem is YOU'RE wrong by accusing Redweek of accepting RCI and/or II exchanges as deposits. You can't seem to grasp that fact. Show proof of your accusations before condemning and bashing Redweek.

The fact that Redweek allows rentals of REDWEEK exchanges is their business/option, not yours, not RCIs nor any other exchange company. I think that you should have gotten that message on Tug from Tug members, but for some reason you won't let it go that Redweek has it's own rules, not YOUR rules.

And no, phill, I will not drop your accusations. You don't make the rules for Redweek ... Redweek does ... sorry you don't have that power.

phill12 wrote:

As far as the Tug people not agreeing with me, it is because they are already taking advantage of this rule and grabbing lower tier units and renting them out.

Now you're accusing Tug members of something (I can't figure out exactly what it is). Why would Tug members grab lower tier units on Redweek and rent them out? And if they did, which I can't understand why that would happen, what's wrong with that ... it's permitted on Redweek?

You honestly don't make sense in most of your statements. Maybe it's time for you to sit back, relax, take a deep breath and stay off all timeshare forums for awhile until you understand all the accusations that you have stated with ZERO facts/proof to back them up.

I don't no what planet your on but it has been stated on more than one post on forums that people were taking advantage of this rule and making exchanges to rent them out! I am saying the fact that some timeshare owners on these forums are getting exchanges from Redweek to rent out for a little profit and this is fact talked about by many others. Read the postings, You like to go read post on timeshare forums even though you have been BANNED by most and as you say you read every post on Redweek and Tug. You cherry pick few comments you don't like then run back here and start your crap!

Why is it you never post something stating its from a Ts4ms( BANNED) OR Craigslist or TripAdvisor members, Your complaints are always aimed at a Tug members! {BANNED} I can have a post on a timeshare forum along with twenty other members discussing something and you will grab only my post everytime to run back to Redweek to ***** about it and it gets old! Some of your reason I would guess may be that many of the people that don't care for you and will stand up to you have now left Redweek forum so you gain nothing in your crazy mind. You have run a few off here lately that do stand up to you and it is because it just gets boring after awhile dealing with such a un-important women!

This is how you drive people off the Redweek forum and then the new people take awhile to get to know what a bully you really are! I doubt you ever went to forum lunchings when they have a get together because some owner probably would kick your ass because of the way you treat people!

To set the record straight here again "I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ANYTHING AND HAVE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES" I have tried to stay away from talking to you on here which is almost impossible because you will follow anyone around when you know they don't want to deal with you and this list has many names. I have tried being nice to you even when your being your normal bully. Your just not worth the time and hassle to fight with on here! My only feelings were and still are that no exchange company has the right to let someone doing a exchange turn around and rent the unit. If Redweek wants to let others rent these exchanged units then they should in writing agree to cover all damage that the renter{persons using the unit} do not cover and we all understand this would not happen!

Like I did state the exchange person makes profit for rental and Redweek makes money on moving the unit and the owner gets responsiblity to pay any damage that renter doesn't cover even though he has no idea it was rented out by someone else! I will repeat simply have Redweek agree to cover all damage to someone's unit if damaged because of this rule of letting non-owners rent the exchange out for profit!

This Redweek exchange is not working with low tier resorts and a few good resorts during off season. Redweek turning into a nickel and dime operation by charging for every site that members might use. Most of the good resorts are on the provisional list and will never see the available list and is used for advertising by Redweek to draw new deposits thinking they have a chance for one of these high tier resorts! This is close to the scam of bait and switch con! This exchange has been dragging from the start and making it harder to get a good exchange to use isn't in anyway going to help this exchange get better!

quote from Softballdad3 on Tug below:

"Also if someone made a exchange with II or Rci then made deposit into Redweek exchange how long until someone gets refused at at the resort because this is breaking the rules of the exchange companies who the owner is signed up with!"

another quote from you on the same subject below:

"Back to earlier post,I have read post that state Redweek will let you deposit into their exchange a resort you got in a exchange from another site and this would also seem wrong because again the owner of that timeshare is not involved in this deal!"

Your accusations (outright lies) above are there in black and white. Words don't lie and you can't backtrack now saying you made no such accusation as it's on record and copied from your statement on Tug.

Another quote from you on the subject below:

"J--- part of my post about someone making a exchange through their company Rci or II and then redeposit into Redweek is one of the issues I'm having trouble with. Then as you stated someone can make another exchange with Redweek and then rent it out for profit and this seems wrong ."

quote from Softballdad on Tug below:

"J--- if I'm reading your post right you are stating its alright for someone to break Rci or II rules and rent someone else's timeshare because they got it in a exchange from Redweek!"

Who's breaking RCI or II rules? People that deposit with Redweek own those weeks. Neither RCI, II or any other exchange company is involved in any shape, form or fashion.

quote from Softballdad on Tug below:

"This would be a unit that had been exchange for from one of the companies. I know poster stated this can not happen because you need to own to deposit but I have seen this question among many others asked on Redweek with no answer from Redweek."

I read the Redweek forums every morning with my cup of coffee. I don't think I've missed reading many (if any) posts, and I've never seen the above question asked on Redweek. Redweek members have enough sense to know that they can't deposit an exchange from another exchange company into Redweek. You're the only one that seems to be the exception.

quote from Softballdad to another Tug member:

"If you are this confused by my question and statement then there is just no point in giving you another answer you wouldn't understand anyway! I get the feeling your not really interested but just want to keep all this going and we are now finished!"

phill, it's obvious that you're the one that's confused. Tug members tried to explain Redweek's exchange system to you and that Redweek doesn't accept exchanges made via other exchange companies but you simply refuse to GET IT.

quote from a Tug member to Softballdad:

"Why so angry and annoyed? Your posts demonstrate a refusal to accept leigitmate explanations of Redweeks exchange system, which is different and unrelated to RCI's or II's. Your annoyed by the system and angry at the people who use it.

Are you helping or even trying to help anyone here? Or is all the venting of your anger on this site simply therapy of some sort for you?"

I think the post above from a Tug member pretty much sums it up. If you don't like Redweek's exchange system then simply don't use it. You're not forced to use Redweek or any other exchange company just because you own a timeshare.

There were many other posts by Tug members trying to explain to you how Redweek operates, but you simply refuse to acknowledge those posts and you continue to vent your venom.

And last but not least, it's foolhardy to try to force your will on others (in other forums), especially those that "understand" and are satisfied with how Redweek operates.

And more thing, as far as other exchange company members (RCI, II and the independents) possibly renting exchanges on Redweek ... Redweek has no control over that whatsoever. There's no way they can police all rental offers on Redweek and they shouldn't have to.

That issue is between the exchange company and their members. If caught renting exchanges, they're memberships will be cancelled and their renter left with no where to go upon check-in.

Phil, In your discussions with Jayjay, you said, "If Redweek takes my unit and gives to someone else in a exchange and they rent my unit I will be responsible for damage if renter doesn't pay the fee! Simple". I would have thought that once RedWeek gives your (or my) unit in exchange, then the new person would be liable for damages, regardless of whether or not he/she rented it to yet another person. Mike

mike1536 wrote:

Phil, In your discussions with Jayjay, you said, "If Redweek takes my unit and gives to someone else in a exchange and they rent my unit I will be responsible for damage if renter doesn't pay the fee! Simple". I would have thought that once RedWeek gives your (or my) unit in exchange, then the new person would be liable for damages, regardless of whether or not he/she rented it to yet another person. Mike

Exactly, that's why a resort's front desk always gets a credit card imprint from any person checking in, whether it's an owner or a renter.

Mike1536 wrote I would have thought that once RedWeek gives your (or my) unit in exchange,the new person would be liable for damage,regardless of weather or not he/she rented it to yet another person. Mike {/Q}

Mike,I was told that once the renter checks out and signs credit card bill the resort would have hard time charging damage found later and it would fall back on the owner. Most people that go to check out sign out way before unit is cleaned and inventory is done. The resort isn't going to chase down all these people that were dealing with exchange companies doing this, they will go to owner after renter! We all understand the renter leaves credit card open, but this ends when they sign their bill and leave.

PHIL ====================================

Just a warning or heads up to members reading this! Most of these postings by [Gingin/Robbie,Jayjay] are to stir things up and nothing more. This is normal crap she likes to put out so everyone thinks she is important on here to everyone and nothing more. This subject matter isn't in anyway important to 99% of Redweek members!

This is one of the problems with Jayjay,(Gingin) that because this topic was about Redweek she feels she needs to stir things up! One of the nicest people {KenK} on here and other sites told me of Redweek and said I could help many others. He had recommended Tug to me months earlier as the best forum on timeshares and he was right! He told me I could read questions from many new timeshare people and help them. He also warned me of jayjay and the crap I would see from this women and one of the reasons she was kicked out of Tug and Ts4ms.

We lost KenK this year and it was also a great loss to all the forums. What does it say about a person on here when this gentleman warnes me of her and her games before I checked out the site. I wasn't on Redweek two weeks before having a run in with Gingin-Jayjay and having Redweek delete my replies to jayjay, It took a few months to see this was a regular happening on Redweek to protect Jayjay! I was deleted many times mostly by Marty along with many others that stood up to Jayjay who have now also left Redweek as members. These other people left for same reason of just tired of wasting their time and always having to argue with this bully. At some point you would think Redweek would be as smart as TS4MS AND TUG and send her packing but instead chose to lose all these people and keep Jayjay.

This fighting was about a topic on Tug about the new Redweek Exchange letting the exchanger take your unit and then rent it out for profit of which I totally disagree with but because Jayjay isn't able to use Tug [Banned] she has to run back here to start her trouble. Redweek did this to try and help their poorly run exchange and by letting others rent out your timeshare they offered something II and RCI did not with the hope it would help their exchange. We now know it didn't and they had to let Dae take it over. Jayjay thinks because I am a member on Redweek that I and others shouldn't have a opinion that might not go along with every idea Redweek comes up with!

This is her record and many know this on Redweek and other forums because they had to also put up with it on other timeshare forums too. You still notice people will call her Gingin or Gin on here just to remind her they are still here and know who she is! This was her screen name on other two sites before being banned! She goes by jayjay on here but many still remember her and the crap she dealt out to many others. You can still find where someone will call her by the Gingin or Gin on here when checking older postings if you can find the ones Redweek hasn't deleted. I found one few months ago from Kekouri the gentleman that sent me to Redweek and warn me of Jayjay,Gingin. KenK responded to jayjay post saying Thanks Gin just to let her know he remembers her very well. You can find this on the posting "Cut my price on timeshare...what else to sell it" on Oct 26,2007.

I took the high road when she started ripping into Darlenep30 last month and said nothing. All this time Jayjay went on about how this lady wasn't a nice person when in fact her and her husband are police officers and very nice people. She has always spoke the truth about Jayjay,Gingin when Gin starts pulling this on people on here and all we hear from Jayjay (Gingin) is ("I don't know who you think I am").These people seem to know who and what she is!

UPDATE: 1/2/2011

Jayjay/Gingin She finally had a arguement with Ken 1193 today and admitted that she is the person I and many others having been saying. She lost her cool today and admitted to being banned from Tug. You can read it if Redweek doesn't run in and delete the postings by Ken and Jayjay as Ken 1193 told her off and he was correct in his comments to her! This can be seen on the forum for Renting/Selling and on post {Looking for good title co. for escrow] under title of Correction of inaccurate statements is not "Arguing".

Jayjay{Gingin] always says people don't know who she is or think she is but now we all know as she finally admitted it.! Jayjay likes telling everyone she is not a liar but jayjay made the statement that she didn't know Darlenep30 from Tug then stated she reads her postings on Tug and she has a chip on her shoulder! Darlenep30 came back and simply asked "If you read my postings then what is my Tug screen name" and of coarse answer was it doesn't matter or something to that effect. I think the term Darlenep30 made was you have no clue but just blowing smoke like most times(LIAR). After jayjay admitted to the fact that she was who people said she was and really was banned from TUG and TS4MS which she still hasn't admitted too but we all know that information is also true. Now she states that "Yes,I was banned by Tug for disagreeing with a moderator and would do it again. This more lies as it was and may still be somewhere on the Tug and TS4MS site that she was banned after many warnings because of same treatment to others as she has been doing for years on Redweek. That is to argue,insult,downgrade and call people liars and scammers. It was even posted that she like to fight and again forum people would leave because of her. I was directed to these postings few years ago after arguing and being deleted on Redweek. One of the very nice ladies who had same treatment here as she had on Tug from Jayjay{Gingin} told me where to find the postings She gave up her membership on Redweek because of all this crap. Another real nice lady in another state has taken crap from Jayjay and this was who Jayjay was thinking was Darlenep30 until I told her it wasn't. Jayjay thinks they are bad people too! How many people fall in jayjay's bad person list before people see a pattern here ? I made statements and gave my opinion on a Tug post and all this is caused by Jayjay and thrown way out of line for no other reason than promote Jayjay as important on here! There have been statements made by others last few months about how Redweek is becoming a very lame forum and the exchange is going no where and not one word from jayjay(Gingin) about it or the poster.

If Redweek ever posted [Do not use upfront companies, Do your home work before buying or renting, Never buy from the developer, Always buy resale, Sell your timeshare on Redweek, Don't use any upfront company as they are scams] at the top of this forum there would be nothing left for jayjay to say on here because these statements are pretty much all the replies from jayjay! Listening to Jayjay you would think Jayjay is only one telling people to watch for scammers and upfront companies trying to rip timeshare owners off when most of us regulars have been doing this for years on all the forums. Trouble now with Redweek is others like myself have just walked away from Redweek because of Jayjay and the new people only hear from her in most cases. Members that are still here don't get into back and fourth on postings with her because they have learned you can not win dealing with a crazy women.

Only the new people on here think Jayjay is nice person but later find what everyone else found, that she is a bully, bad tempered women who will fight with you until you just get tired and leave the forum. She dislikes anyone that has any disagreement about Redweek or anything else and lets everyone know it. We as members use Redweek and try and make it better and don't always agree or like somethings on here. But no one deserves to be treated like this by this very mean women! I heard from Tug members couple years ago her real name was Robbie but not sure!

Jayjay still thinks and acts like she is spokes person for Redweek and has told me and others we should leave this forum many times. At some point even Redweek should have figured out why Jayjay was banned from other sites and ban her too if they are smart unless of coarse she really does have something to do with Redweek.

Things she has popped off with to others sure sounds like she has or thinks she has something to do with this site. Of coarse we all know Redweek and Gingin I mean Jayjay have stated this is not true many times. LMAO!

Losing the members because of fighting everyday with Jayjay cost Redweek their fee's and can cost other members rentals or sales too!

Have a good day! PHILL12

The only thing I can say to you (phill12 or softballdad or whatever your name is) is that you're full of BS and lies. The proof's in the pudding with all your lies and accusations (copied and pasted verbatim above) from Tug concerning Redweek.

You even jumped mike's case a couple of weeks ago accusing him of something he didn't do (mike remembers) and I told you that mike was an upstanding and respected member of Redweek's forums and that you had no right to jump his case.

Tug members tried to set you straight concerning Redweek (go back and read that thread very slowly) but you just couldn't comprehend what they were saying or you didn't want to comprehend. I don't know what your problem is, but you definitely have a problem.

Quote:

Mike, sorry about making this so long but wanted to answer you. I'm not planning on dealing with jayjay again on this issue which she wasn't even involved in on Tug but know she wants to keep this running as long as possible.

I didn't see in mike's post where he asked you a question, so exactly who are you answering?

And your character assasination of who you THINK I am is downright pathetic and a ploy to distract attention from what the real issues are ... your lies and continual bashing of Redweek on Tug.