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dennisd273, "I agree wholeheartedly. Who do you want to do this? I need a name." if this is in regard to my last post, the only "name" i can offer is US..............THE REDWEEK.COM MANHATTAN CLUB FORUM participants. i sent a copy of my letter to the TMC BOARD OF DIRECTORS (cc to jeff, greg and the NYSAG, eric schneiderman) requesting a list of names of all current MANHATTAN CLUB OWNERS. so far, i have heard nothing. however if we all request this list, the board of thieves might just sit up and take notice. i hope this is a satisfactory answer to your reply. if not, let me know and i'll try being more creative and resourceful and hopefully other members of the forum will do the same.
keep in touch,
chris126
Chris V.
Last edited by chrisv126 on Aug 26, 2015 04:29 PM
I would be happy to see the AG get an order to unwind the Manhattan Club Sales. Give me my purchase price back and allow me to walk away from this mess. This may be unrealistic as the pockets may not be deep enough.
I would also be happy if we could get an independent board and kick out the management company. Some people say the devil you know if better than the one you do not know. I do not believe this is the case. The devil we are dealing with has no morals, openly lies to the owners, has no interest in protecting the owners, and only cares about maximizing there own return.
If you are not able to get any reservations, I agree you should not pay maintenance fees. Aside from a potential impact on your credit (which should be easy to clean up), I see no downside. Why pay for something you cannot use and has no value.
If you are making reservations and want to continue making reservations, you need to keep paying. While this means you are covering fees for those not paying, the positive aspect is availability to get a reservation is to much better based on those not paying and the pressure the AG has put on MC concerning rentals. Just do not pay early as the AG may be able to force them to escrow the fees which means they would only be able to pay legitimate expenses, like taxes, not car repairs.
Brian H.
Dennis, I am happy with the fact that you were able to make your desired reservation 9 months ahead. Obviously, I am not familiar with your contract. My 2007 OP states that I can make reservations any time WITHIN 9 months. If there were any MC amendments on the reservation rules, I did not get them. That means the MC failed to perform it's obligations in regards to my contract.
Chris: I am surprised you did not follow up with Irene Smalls' posts when she was trying to get the TMC owner's list. The group was created to identify the TMC owner's email addresses. It was not successful due to the very special the MC policy when the owner's address at the public records was provided as "200 west 56-st street, Manhattan, NY". Which is another MC BS because, obviously, the owners do not reside there, spending not more than week a year at the so called resort.
BTW, big companies like RCI, BlueGreen, etc have been posted with the real addresses and phone numbers at the public records.
Fibo N.
Owner information is public record and available from the taxing authority. It may take someone going there and looking the info up. Years ago, I googled myself, something that I do on a somewhat regular basis, and the first thing to come up was my Manhattan Club deed. Everyone talks about how their Manhattan Club property is worth nothing. Maybe it is devalued at the moment, but that is a somewhat temporary thing during this investigation. Don't forget, we OWN and have deeds for this property. That means if Eichner and company is found guilty, yes, the property may be sold, but only Eichner's holdings. We are all still owners and deed holders. As long as we all present a united front and don't give away the property, any new owner would have to buy each of us out individually, and if we demand market value, that's what we will probably get. This is just like the stock market. The only guaranteed loser is the one that sells when the market is down.
Boomer
carole487 wrote:Owner information is public record and available from the taxing authority. It may take someone going there and looking the info up. Years ago, I googled myself, something that I do on a somewhat regular basis, and the first thing to come up was my Manhattan Club deed. Everyone talks about how their Manhattan Club property is worth nothing. Maybe it is devalued at the moment, but that is a somewhat temporary thing during this investigation. Don't forget, we OWN and have deeds for this property. That means if Eichner and company is found guilty, yes, the property may be sold, but only Eichner's holdings. We are all still owners and deed holders. As long as we all present a united front and don't give away the property, any new owner would have to buy each of us out individually, and if we demand market value, that's what we will probably get. This is just like the stock market. The only guaranteed loser is the one that sells when the market is down.
You are wise. Hang on and do the best you can. So many keep complaining about how they are victims to us, the other victims. I wish they thought like you.
Dennis D.
The offer we received from SFX was sent to us by email. TMC timeshare ownership is public record, but email addresses are not part of that public record. So I believe that TMC sold the email addresses of owners to SFX.
dennisd273 wrote:carole487 wrote:Owner information is public record and available from the taxing authority. It may take someone going there and looking the info up. Years ago, I googled myself, something that I do on a somewhat regular basis, and the first thing to come up was my Manhattan Club deed. Everyone talks about how their Manhattan Club property is worth nothing. Maybe it is devalued at the moment, but that is a somewhat temporary thing during this investigation. Don't forget, we OWN and have deeds for this property. That means if Eichner and company is found guilty, yes, the property may be sold, but only Eichner's holdings. We are all still owners and deed holders. As long as we all present a united front and don't give away the property, any new owner would have to buy each of us out individually, and if we demand market value, that's what we will probably get. This is just like the stock market. The only guaranteed loser is the one that sells when the market is down.You are wise. Hang on and do the best you can. So many keep complaining about how they are victims to us, the other victims. I wish they thought like you.
Fred C.
carole487 , as owners paying obscenely high maintenance fees and other fraudulent atrocities thrown at us by TMCNY, we are entitled to see and obtain the list of names of the 1 8,000 or so other owners of TMCMY which should be supplied to us shareowners who request this list from TMCNY. as many of us as possible should make this request by contacting sal reale. if we do so, we should also send copies of our requests (via email) to jeff weir, greg crist and eric schneiderman, the nys attorney general. the RESULTS of our requests must also be made known to those receiving copies.
i emailed the TMCNY BOARD 3 days ago and sent to copies to jeff weir, greg crist, and the NYSAG, eric schneiderman. this email contained my request for the list of TMCNY owners. one of eichner's followers, salvatore reale (TMCNY DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS), was directed to respond to my email. i got a phone call the next day from reale and, in essence he said my request for the list of TMCNY owners is denied. i asked him to send me an email of refusal to my request; he said he would put that "under consideration." he phoned me again, i believe it was friday, and left a message with his name, but the msg was garbled. i called sal reale twice after that and left a message on his voice mail to phone me again. to date (this being the weekend) NO ANSWER.
the thrust here is that sal reale does not want to put his negative response to my request for a list of owners IN WRITING, eg, an email. we are working with very devious, crafty and brilliant (in a negative way) business people: THE TMCNY BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
fellow TMCNY owners and members of this forum: it's imperative to keep up the pressure on this group of TMCNY board people who have wronged us financially and otherwise, and continue to do so via the exorbitant maintenance fees and difficulties in getting desired reservation time. THERE'S STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. we need some way to unite with members of other similar forums (redweek.com), like yahoo.com and others. another point is to have one or more of us shareowners who are attorneys or have similar backgrounds and knowledge come forward and offer us, hopefully, pro bono assistance when the time is right.
stay well and keep in touch.
chris
dennisd273 wrote:carole487 wrote:Owner information is public record and available from the taxing authority. It may take someone going there and looking the info up. Years ago, I googled myself, something that I do on a somewhat regular basis, and the first thing to come up was my Manhattan Club deed. Everyone talks about how their Manhattan Club property is worth nothing. Maybe it is devalued at the moment, but that is a somewhat temporary thing during this investigation. Don't forget, we OWN and have deeds for this property. That means if Eichner and company is found guilty, yes, the property may be sold, but only Eichner's holdings. We are all still owners and deed holders. As long as we all present a united front and don't give away the property, any new owner would have to buy each of us out individually, and if we demand market value, that's what we will probably get. This is just like the stock market. The only guaranteed loser is the one that sells when the market is down.You are wise. Hang on and do the best you can. So many keep complaining about how they are victims to us, the other victims. I wish they thought like you.
Chris V.
Last edited by chrisv126 on Aug 29, 2015 07:23 PM
Hi Chris--I am very aware of the escalating maintenance fees as I have a penthouse unit. If you have never been on any of the penthouse floors, they are embarrassing in terms of their "décor." It's like walking into the 1950's Catskills "resorts." There are steps in some of the hallways and units which certainly are not up to handicapped standards and the leopard print carpet in the dark hallways is hideous. I am pretty knowledgeable in real estate law and homeowners association law. Part of the reason I posted what I did is because people need to know that owner information is public information. Also, in the state where I live (not New York), it is illegal for homeowners associations to disseminate homeowner contact information unless the association has a signed release from each owner. Something like this could be the reason for TMCNY being unwilling to provide it to you (although I doubt it)). Don't misunderstand, I am not making excuses for Eichner, the Board, and top management employees, I am merely stating that something like this could be a possibility. Our privacy laws are getting a bit out of hand. Having purchased my unit on the secondary market, I never went through the sales meetings where deceptive information was given to prospective owners and since I live quite far from NY, I always book my time about 10 months in advance, thus never having any problems getting the dates that I want. I have been outraged at hearing some of the things prospective buyers have been told and even more outraged that owners have not been able to use their nights for years, in some cases. Please know that I fully support the actions being taken by the owners and the investigation by the Attorney General. Please know, too, that investigations of this nature and court filings can take many years before completion.
Boomer
Could you please provide the relevant email addresses? I'm new to the forum and don't have them handy. Thanks! K
chrisv126 wrote:carole487 , as owners paying obscenely high maintenance fees and other fraudulent atrocities thrown at us by TMCNY, we are entitled to see and obtain the list of names of the 1 8,000 or so other owners of TMCMY which should be supplied to us shareowners who request this list from TMCNY. as many of us as possible should make this request by contacting sal reale. if we do so, we should also send copies of our requests (via email) to jeff weir, greg crist and eric schneiderman, the nys attorney general. the RESULTS of our requests must also be made known to those receiving copies.i emailed the TMCNY BOARD 3 days ago and sent to copies to jeff weir, greg crist, and the NYSAG, eric schneiderman. this email contained my request for the list of TMCNY owners. one of eichner's followers, salvatore reale (TMCNY DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS), was directed to respond to my email. i got a phone call the next day from reale and, in essence he said my request for the list of TMCNY owners is denied. i asked him to send me an email of refusal to my request; he said he would put that "under consideration." he phoned me again, i believe it was friday, and left a message with his name, but the msg was garbled. i called sal reale twice after that and left a message on his voice mail to phone me again. to date (this being the weekend) NO ANSWER.
the thrust here is that sal reale does not want to put his negative response to my request for a list of owners IN WRITING, eg, an email. we are working with very devious, crafty and brilliant (in a negative way) business people: THE TMCNY BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
fellow TMCNY owners and members of this forum: it's imperative to keep up the pressure on this group of TMCNY board people who have wronged us financially and otherwise, and continue to do so via the exorbitant maintenance fees and difficulties in getting desired reservation time. THERE'S STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. we need some way to unite with members of other similar forums (redweek.com), like yahoo.com and others. another point is to have one or more of us shareowners who are attorneys or have similar backgrounds and knowledge come forward and offer us, hopefully, pro bono assistance when the time is right.
stay well and keep in touch.
chris
dennisd273 wrote:carole487 wrote:Owner information is public record and available from the taxing authority. It may take someone going there and looking the info up. Years ago, I googled myself, something that I do on a somewhat regular basis, and the first thing to come up was my Manhattan Club deed. Everyone talks about how their Manhattan Club property is worth nothing. Maybe it is devalued at the moment, but that is a somewhat temporary thing during this investigation. Don't forget, we OWN and have deeds for this property. That means if Eichner and company is found guilty, yes, the property may be sold, but only Eichner's holdings. We are all still owners and deed holders. As long as we all present a united front and don't give away the property, any new owner would have to buy each of us out individually, and if we demand market value, that's what we will probably get. This is just like the stock market. The only guaranteed loser is the one that sells when the market is down.You are wise. Hang on and do the best you can. So many keep complaining about how they are victims to us, the other victims. I wish they thought like you.
Camille K.
have we MANHATTAN CLUB OWNERS stopped sharing information on this redweek.com forum?
it appears that nothing has been posted since august 29.
let's keep up the momentum folks.
HOPE TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY VERY SOON, LIKE TODAY OR TOMORROW!
get back in touch. vacation's over.
chris
Chris V.
fredc55 wrote:What ever happened at the court date on August 20? Anybody heard anything?
hi fredc55, i hopefully assume that any of us redweek. com MC forum members would let us all know if they are aware of any new AG vs TMCNY lawsuit developments. as i said in my last post, i haven't seen a redweek.com forum alert in my mailbox since august 29.
Chris V.
No new court documents have been filed since August 27. There is no information online about any hearings, what happened, postponements, or anything else Both sides, club and AG, continue to provide NO information to owners about what is happening or what they might expect for the future. Not ideal for anyone other than the attorneys handling this case on both sides.
Jeffrey W.
jeff_reports wrote:No new court documents have been filed since August 27. There is no information online about any hearings, what happened, postponements, or anything else Both sides, club and AG, continue to provide NO information to owners about what is happening or what they might expect for the future. Not ideal for anyone other than the attorneys handling this case on both sides.
jeff, omg..........this is a clear and not-too-encouraging example of keeping "classified information" just that way: CLASSIFIED. WHY IS THIS INFORMATION OF SUCH A SECRETIVE NATURE....SO (if you will) CLASSIFIED? THIS ENTIRE NOTION AND THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE LUDICROUS.
a classic lesson is to be learned by our state and federal legislators!!!!!!!!!!
"Not ideal for anyone other than the attorneys handling this case on both sides."..................an understatement!
i'd suggest contacting salvatore reale, MC director of operations under IAN EICHER, for details...............of course this is a fantasy of mine................he'll probable say, in his inimitable way, that he's not authorized to share any legal information with anyone..............just like he did when i (about 2 weeks ago) emailed him requesting that he send me the names of ALL MC owners. FYI.................. he phoned me and said he'd take my request "under consideration" and get back to me. i'm still awaiting his response. i asked him to respond via email or the u s postal svce: NOTHING!!! DOES THAT LEAVE ONE TO WONDER IF HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT REFUSING MY REQUEST.............................IN WRITING? HE'S ONE OF EICNHER'S PUPPETS GETTING PAID BIG MONEY AT SHAREOWNERS' EXPENSE. WHY WOULD HE WANT TO UPSET SUCH A LUCRATIVE POSITION? CERTAINLY NOT BY GRANTING MY REQUEST FOR THE LIST OF MC SHAREOWNERS.
keep in touch.
chrisv
Chris V.
Chris,
I filed a Freedom of Information request years ago to get more information about the Manhattan Club when I started writing letters about the TMC scam. The AG's office takes Freedom of Information requests very seriously. It does not bode well when only the lawyers from the two sides are talking and no one is talking to us the affected parties. We as TMC owners need to file Freedom of Information requests frequently when and if necessary. You do not have to be a lawyer to file a Freedom of Information Request.
Irene Smalls
Irene S.
hey irene,
good to hear from you!
" Freedom of Information request" ........................... VERY CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION.
hopefully you will briefly describe in THIS FORUM, how to go about doing this so that other MC shareholders could also request this (on the assumption that the greater number of requests, the LOUDER it will appear to those involved in forwarding information to ALL OF US WRONGFULLY AFFECTED BY THIS FRAUDULENT SCHEME. i feel like: "where do we currently stand.........where do we go from here???" NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE ANY DEFINITIVE ANSWERS ABOUT ANYTHING.
keep in touch,
chrisv
irenes93 wrote:Chris,I filed a Freedom of Information request years ago to get more information about the Manhattan Club when I started writing letters about the TMC scam. The AG's office takes Freedom of Information requests very seriously. It does not bode well when only the lawyers from the two sides are talking and no one is talking to us the affected parties. We as TMC owners need to file Freedom of Information requests frequently when and if necessary. You do not have to be a lawyer to file a Freedom of Information Request.
Irene Smalls
Chris V.
Hi Chris,
We as TMC owners must clearly understand we have no advocates in this investigation presently. We have to advocate for ourselves. The AG's office will do what is best for the State of New York and the AG. The AG's client is the State of New York. The Manhattan Club will do whatever it can to continue scamming us. I will look at what I filed regarding the Freedom of Information Act and report back to this forum.
Irene Smalls
Irene S.
