Manhattan Club Lawsuit

I also agree that we do not need legal representation. All documents are available to the general public. I also think the attorney general's office will do their job and in time we will receive the proper solution. Patience will pay off. We have already spent more money than we should have. I bought a junior split week unit in 2002 and then upgraded to a penthouse split week she they became available. The fees (maintenance and taxes) have escalated tremendously without any justification. Let's stay on the AG to bring us the conclusion we should have. Thank you all for doing all that you do to bring us justice in this quest.

I will be filing a major update on the Manhattan Club case in the next few days. It will give owners a clear idea of what lies ahead ---- a major, public, court battle over whether the Eichners are personally responsible for all, or none, of the issues that have fueled this owner forum for months. Think many of the recent discussion threads, on whether to hire another lawyer, or not, are distractions from the real issue, which is that the court battle is heating up. That continues to be the only outlet for owners seeking any kind of relief from their experiences at the club.

PLEASE be sure that all of you in this Forum have at the very least completed and returned the survey sent to you from the NYS Attorney General !

jeff, looking forward to your next reportage on the MfArNaHuAdTsTcAaNm CLUB LAWSUIT. if you need any further info, contact me.................right!...........just expanding my impression of your comment: WE OWNERS DON'T NEED A LAWYER AT THIS POINT. (see my {and others'} comments to jonathan.) "distractions from the real issue".............we're certainly on ths same page!!!!!

chris

Jonathan I don’t think I ‘missed’ the point of hiring an attorney. I don’t know what he is doing and your examples describe lobbyist/advocate activity and we already had the best ‘lobbyist’ I know of in Irene Small. We wouldn’t even have the AG looking into this without all or her and some of the others efforts which they did ‘pro bono’. As I have stated to this group before (see below), it is very dangerous to fork over $50,000 for anything,(100 TMC donors @100 each) including an attorney, without a clear understanding of what the money is going to be used for. To quote you “This is just one example of what Mr. Wasser has been doing to help our cause.’ If we had a group of 100 people who pitched in ( I am assuming you meant pitch in $500) here we would have a formidable team to combat this fraud. ‘.. . Now what would be the scope of this effort to ‘combat this fraud’ which is the AG’s job in the first place? — more how to write letters to the Times” or lobbying the AG’s office ?.By the way Irene Small has done a lot more than that over the past few years to bring attention to the issue to the AG, newspapers,TV etc. WHAT are the specifics you and Mr. Wasser are proposing..for $50,000? I need more info in order to better judge if even $50,000 is enough to make a real difference. If we are going to raise a legal fund for the TMC owners it should be to finance the civil suits that may be needed after the AG completes his thing. Just my thoughts John “Hi all Re engaging a lawyer Before you engage any type of service professional - lawyer, accountant, consultant, contractor, etc. you should have a written, agreed to understanding of the scope of the work to be done, the activities to be performed, the estimated time and professional fee for the activity, a statement on out of pocket costs ( included , and estimate of how much, or out) the expected deliverables, time frame and how to make changes to the ‘contract’ as needed as the effort moves along. Absent such a document, even if it is written, as some judges would say,on a role of toilet role, expectations will not be clearly set and the stage for disappointment set. What are you all going to get for the $500 each of you are investing?? Wouldn’t the scope and deliverables change if you had say $50,000 versus $10,000 ? Such a document would protect both sides lawyer (s) and TMC contributors. Isn’t unmet expectations one of the real issues with your deal with The Manhattan Club?? Just a thought........”

I am presently a owner of a penthouse week at the TMC (foolish me) and I would like also to get a copy of the form that is being sent to the Attorney Generals office. I am sorry on being late to this party but I would very much like to get involved in this matter. Like so many others, I am frustrated and have many war stories to add to the list. Presently, I have not paid this year's maintenance fee and have started receiving dunning letters concerning no payment.. Hope to hear from someone on this issue.

Thank you for all who have started this process.

Bill Hubbard wwh326@hotmail.com

You should contact the Attorney General's office. They are sending out the survey to TMC owners. Here are the key contact people:

serwat.farooq@ag.ny.gov, andrew.meier@ag.ny.gov, brenda.heredia@ag.ny.gov

Irene Smalls

Thank you for the information on the survey from the attorney general, I will contact them immediately. Bill Hubbard

HEY IRENE............

welcome back. seems like a long time since you showed up here. so glad you're back!

chris

Thanks for the AG e-mail address. It produced an electronic copy of the Survey within 30 minutes.

Everyone should request and participate in this survey. The AG office, which should function like every other elected official's office, runs on the numbers. They need to get a survey from every owner.

Send request to: serwat.farooq@ag.ny.gov andrew.meier@ag.ny.gov brenda.heredia@ag.ny.gov

James687

Hi all!

New update from Jeff just posted over on the blog. It's another long one - but lots of good info. Please share!

http://blog.redweek.com/2015/06/eichners-seek-dismissal-from-manhattan-club-investigation.html

Thank you Chris.

Irene Smalls

I am a Manhattan Club timeshare owner. As such, I own nothing but debt and ongoing "maintenance" fees which do not correlate with this property. Eichner's assertion that he "has lost tens of millions of dollars" in sales since the AG's filing of an injunction in 2014 is testament to the unbelievable degree of fraud we are victims of. Our timeshares have already been oversold 3x-4x and are continuing to be sold as "hotel stays" every day on Orbit, Travelocity, etc. while we cannot get reservations for ourselves! Eichner's admission that he intended to take in "tens of millions of dollars" more in sales further substantiates his scheme to continue to re-sell our ownerships beyond their usefulness, the unit shares having been sold out long ago.

I just voted our proxy by abstaining - does anybody know what would happen if all of we timeshare owners also abstain? Would they then not have a quorum; hence, the annual meeting could not proceed???? charlesm548 certainly sums it up and the AG surely will have to recognize this scam once and foreall.

I am also curious about the effect of not voting by proxy?? How would it effect the law suit if we all do not vote??

Chris, You seem to have a good understanding of the lawsuit and problems with the Manhattan Club. I am an owner and need to vote by proxy. I REALLY need a recommendation on how to proceed with it. I want to know what to vote for and obstain or whatever is best for us owners. Please help me. Thanks, Ellen

Is abstaining by proxy the right thing to do in favor of us owners???? Ellen

I attended the MC meeting the first three years starting in 1997 " nothing gets done" at does meeting except Eichner's agenda. If you address any issues that concern you it get voted down since it is not part of the meeting. The same happened in 2002, I am sure nothing has changed. All I have to show is the expense and time off going to NY from Pa.

Are you voting by proxy? Do you have any idea who is the best rep for us owners? Please help. I read the bios but it really does not tell us what we need to know....who has our back???

Good evening friends !!! I am also an owner. Reading about your doubt over attending or naming someone to represent you, the ones that could be present, allow me to suggest: BE PRESENT, DO NOT GIVE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO BE THERE. This is not a normal-every-year reunion. This is a very significant one, even to the NYS AG it will be a very significant message the more owners there. It is a message to all those at his office that we care, and they can count on us also, as we are counting on them to represent us in this special moment. Otherwise they could be discouraged, if WE DO NOT CARE ENOUGH TO BE THERE they might think and feel and wonder, WHY SHOULD WE???? IT IS OUR INVESTMENT AND IT IS OUR MONEY THAT WE PAY EVERY YEAR FOR EACH WEEK WE OWN. I cannot be there because I am a foreigner and I am buying my airplane tickets to be there in NY for Oct. time, cannot fly over also in August. My experience is in not voting for CONGRESS ELECTIONS, ALMOST 80% ABSENTEES in 2005 , and now my country is a mess, and no one to blame but ourselves, we were wrong, and GAVE AWAY OUR RIGHT AND OUR COUNTRY. Let's not throw away our timeshare !!!!!