point rental liquidators

To haroldk35: Well you gave us all 3 names, but here are some more moles should think about. Jim, Michael, Joe, Sarah, Jeffrey, Linda, Susan, Trent, Russell, James, Steve, Alicia, Matt, Emily, Dawn, Lisa, Jon, Scott, Brenda, Shayne, Cliff, Kesha - Hell it could be someone that you have hurt + 10's of 1000's of people you have scammed just to name a small few. Here is a old post from awhile back you can read from page 16. ______________________________________________________________

bobb749 7 months ago Nov 14, 2012

O.K... let me shine some light on P.R.L. and raise the veil:

P.R.L. (Point Rental Liquidators) was the brainchild of a man named Robert Guy Russell. He is a genius at devising plans to make a LOT of money in ways that many would consider immoral or possibly illegal, while trying to legally protect himself from liability. For years he has taught his sales teams to sell timeshare based on the idea that the client would be able to rent their ownership out and cover the cost as well as make money off of it. I know because I worked for him for a couple of years and was well aware of the inner workings of his organization.

At first he owned a company called Global Destinations Consulting (GDC) but had to shut his doors because of a federal injunction from RCI. My understanding was that this injunction came about because he was putting “RCI PTS by GDC” on his caller I.D. and was using their company name, as well as telling timeshare owners that they were coming in for an “RCI update meeting”. My understanding of the outcome was that he was no longer supposed to run or own a timeshare sales and marketing company. So he temporarily teamed up with another, more legitimate company, but his greed got the best of him and they split ways. He then found the poor H.O.A. at Sunset Harbor Resort and they agreed to let him or his new company Grand Leisure Holidays (GLH), which is a subsidiary I believe of the Parent LLC R&R Venture group (which stands for Russell and Russell for he and his wife Nonna), sell their inventory. For anyone who does not know the HOA gets very little of the sales price of the timeshare, usually 5-25% of the sales price and the sales organization gets the remainder. This took place in late 2010, and since that point he and GLH have sold over $20,000,000 in timeshare.

In the middle of 2011 he held a meeting in Las Vegas to train his sales teams on a new program V.S.I. Vacation Services International, LLC that they were going to make mandatory on every sale because V.S.I. has certain benefits and can help owners recoup some cost. Now V.S.I. Vacation Services International, LLC to my knowledge is tightly run and legitimate. Most of the problems that they have are a result of how outside brokers (primarily GLH teams) inflate what they can do. This is where everything took a turn for the worse.

Guy decided why pay someone else $498 per deal when he could be making that money. So he reached out to one of his salesmen B.J. Cooke and partnered up create P.R.L. (Now I am pretty sure that neither Guy nor Nonna are on the company paperwork but if you look them up the office is at 6132 w Sahara in Las Vegas where his companies are located) and if you follow the money you will see that he makes roughly half of the money that comes into PRL. They knew when this was set up that they did not have the ability to rent out the timeshare but figured if anyone ever had a real complaint they could send them a check and they would still be ahead. They also were very careful on how the contract was worded, and for those of you who purchase, you understand that what you were told and what the contract said were two different things.

Now, from my understanding, Guy has burnt Sunset Harbor and left them holding the bag with all of these ticked off clients wanting their rental checks and has moved on to sell other inventory. It is my understanding that they have closed PRL now (again this is my understanding) and have opened a new company, Excess Property Solutions (E.P.S.). Sunset Harbor is not the first HOA that he has done this to and if nothing is done they will not be the last.

Here are a few points I want to make: 1. PRL is/was a scheme, and I am sure E.P.S. will be also.

2. If anyone from RCI is reading this Guy is still having his marketing companies use “RCI PTS by GLH”, “RCI PTS by SHR”, or “RCI PTS by RR” on the caller i.d. and inviting owners to an “RCI update meeting”. You can verify this by searching one of the above phrases on the internet.

3. Guy and Nonna Russell have taken the millions that they have made to open an urgent care med clinic in Las Vegas.

4. It is hard to trace their involvement, for obvious reasons. He had a salesmen of his, William “Bill” Redford set up Redford Getaway enterprises as a marketing company out of Hiram Ga. And B.J. Cooke set up PRL. Along with this they often sell using an alias, Bill Redford goes by Paul Young, and when Guy Russell was actually selling he told clients his name was Ryan Roberts.

5. The company(s) address is 6132 W. Sahara Las Vegas NV, 89146.

6. Sunset Harbor is NOT a part of the scheme, simply a bystander which stands to take the brunt of the complaints and problems that arise from PRL, because of the way it was sold.

7. The people who are posting positively about PRL are, with 100% certainty, employees and salesmen. As a matter of fact, I recognized one of the handles as a salesmen of PRL and GLH.

My final observation: It truly is much like organized crime. You have one center character calling the shots and the people and teams under him pulling the trigger. I know that there are A.G.’s in a handful of states trying to find out more about them. That being said, many of the “trigger men” don’t even realize the full picture of what is going on, much as I didn’t. I got out when I realized things weren’t right and suffered financially for my “betrayal”. But I can sleep at night knowing that I am trying to make amends, and hopefully this post will be helpful to many of you out there.

bobb749 7 months ago Nov 14, 2012

jayjay wrote:

All I know is what Tina posted above ..... I was going by that.

You were right jayjay and so was tina, this is just B.J. or Guy posting on here. donp fingered them right away.

Boobier... it's definitely BJ. After going head to head with him in here months ago I can recognize his rant and style. After twenty five years in law enfrocement I have aquired the ability to recognize patterns and styles of certain people and this is BJ himself. He knows that the end is coming and he's venting right now. Let him enjoy his remaining time out there. He probably knows that he's in so deep that it's too late for him to avoid criminal charges and all he can do is vent his frustration.

The card has been cancelled since July 2012 (as soon as I found out about the scam) but since it's all internal, I guess BofA can reverse the credit. I checked the Montgomery County, TX records online and the deed had not been recorded as of a few weeks ago.

The $9500 that my parents were scammed out of went to Sunset Harbor Resorts HOA. Maybe they did sent some of the money to R&R, I don't know, but I do know SHR admitted to paying Hughes Dewailly & Patrick Thompson commissions. They are definitely in on the deal. Do you believe they honestly think they could sell an interest in one of their piece of crap condos for $9500 without conning someone?

jayjay wrote:

All I know is what Tina posted above ..... I was going by that.

tinak117 wrote:

The card has been cancelled since July 2012 (as soon as I found out about the scam) but since it's all internal, I guess BofA can reverse the credit. I checked the Montgomery County, TX records online and the deed had not been recorded as of a few weeks ago.

How in the world could BoFA legally put a charge on a cancelled account card from a year ago? If your parents have no deed and no deed has been recorded by the courthouse then your parents are not legally responsible for that debt. I think you mentioned an attorney in one of your posts .... is that attorney still involved .... if so, then this is a no-brainer.

I agree with Jayjay. If the deed has not been recorded then your parents have no obligation. A good attorney should be able to file an appeal with BOA and get the charges reversed in your favor. Sometimes it takes an attorney to get involved before a bank will do the right thing. They bully people around thinking that they will just go away. Let them bully SHR for their money.

jayjay wrote:

tinak117 wrote:

The card has been cancelled since July 2012 (as soon as I found out about the scam) but since it's all internal, I guess BofA can reverse the credit. I checked the Montgomery County, TX records online and the deed had not been recorded as of a few weeks ago.

How in the world could BoFA legally put a charge on a cancelled account card from a year ago? If your parents have no deed and no deed has been recorded by the courthouse then your parents are not legally responsible for that debt. I think you mentioned an attorney in one of your posts .... is that attorney still involved .... if so, then this is a no-brainer.

tinak117, OK, I can help, I can call what B.J. is calling the "Mole" then call a old contact of mine at BOA cards services and then get the correct information about the deed being recorded or NOT from Montgomery County, TX records. If this does work you will have correct information to give to a lawyer. Please don't put your parents names on here, you said they lived or the sale took place in Louisiana and that Hughes Dewailly was the salesperson, Right. I will need the 6 digit contract number. NOW, let the dogs out.

boobier To haroldk35: Well you gave us all 3 names, but here are some more moles should think about. Jim, Michael, Joe, Sarah, Linda, Susan, Trent, Russell, James, Steve, Alicia, Matt, Emily, Dawn, Lisa, Jon, Scott, Brenda, Shayne, Cliff, Kesha - Hell it could be someone that you have hurt + 10's of 1000's of people you have scammed just to name a small few. Here is a old post from awhile back you can read from page 16.

---------------------- I think I am the only "Susan" who has been on this forum. I would like to know why my name is mentioned in this post as a "mole." Is a mole the same as a shill? When I first got on this forum, I asked questions. I was reluctant to believe that BJ was such a stinker. Ultimately I was convinced. And said so. I continue to check in to this forum because I got interested in Tina's parents situation. We cancelled our deal with these scam artists and I am grateful to this forum for that. What I find very unattractive is how people's names (like mine) can be bandied about. I was called a "shill" for asking questions. Now I am a "mole"? I don't even know if those are the same things. As a regular person, new to the forum, this practice of name calling got in the way of me being able to discriminate as to who was telling the truth. Because, you see, I am just a person who almost got caught in this scam...

The Susan is a ex-employee of R&R Venture I did not mean that you were part of this at all. Sorry if you thought that. The people at R&R Venture Group & PRL know who these people are. Once again, I'm sorry that you thought that.

susanc924

boobier wrote:

To haroldk35: Well you gave us all 3 names, but here are some more moles should think about. Jim, Michael, Joe, Sarah, Linda, Susan, Trent, Russell, James, Steve, Alicia, Matt, Emily, Dawn, Lisa, Jon, Scott, Brenda, Shayne, Cliff, Kesha - Hell it could be someone that you have hurt + 10's of 1000's of people you have scammed just to name a small few. Here is a old post from awhile back you can read from page 16.

---------------------- I think I am the only "Susan" who has been on this forum. I would like to know why my name is mentioned in this post as a "mole." Is a mole the same as a shill? When I first got on this forum, I asked questions. I was reluctant to believe that BJ was such a stinker. Ultimately I was convinced. And said so. I continue to check in to this forum because I got interested in Tina's parents situation. We cancelled our deal with these scam artists and I am grateful to this forum for that. What I find very unattractive is how people's names (like mine) can be bandied about. I was called a "shill" for asking questions. Now I am a "mole"? I don't even know if those are the same things. As a regular person, new to the forum, this practice of name calling got in the way of me being able to discriminate as to who was telling the truth. Because, you see, I am just a person who almost got caught in this scam...

boobier wrote:

The Susan is a ex-employee of R&R Venture I did not mean that you were part of this at all. Sorry if you thought that. The people at R&R Venture Group & PRL know who these people are. Once again, I'm sorry that you thought that.

OK. no harm done. Thanks for the clarification. ---------------------- I think I am the only "Susan" who has been on this forum. I would like to know why my name is mentioned in this post as a "mole." Is a mole the same as a shill? When I first got on this forum, I asked questions. I was reluctant to believe that BJ was such a stinker. Ultimately I was convinced. And said so. I continue to check in to this forum because I got interested in Tina's parents situation. We cancelled our deal with these scam artists and I am grateful to this forum for that. What I find very unattractive is how people's names (like mine) can be bandied about. I was called a "shill" for asking questions. Now I am a "mole"? I don't even know if those are the same things. As a regular person, new to the forum, this practice of name calling got in the way of me being able to discriminate as to who was telling the truth. Because, you see, I am just a person who almost got caught in this scam...

To gary445 who wrote on May 27, 2013 one month ago, (page 49) ______________________________________________________________________________ Boobier...remember it's "not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog in the fight"...counting on you to keep up the fight, as I'm sure many silent scammed readers are that read with hope on what you have done and hopefully will contine to accomplish. I don't know who you are, as I don't know who the one's that challenge you are, and quite frankly, glad they challenge you...if one has interest in this forum, we are adroitly aware of our failure to challenge that which we thot was a sound, logical, investment...and continue to pay for that which we were promised and did not receive. BTW...called Artie...encourage all to call Artie...he'll let you know what happened at SSH, and what is going on there now...and how many times SSH has been investigated in regards to their relationship to PRL, and what a blow it was to them to lose what they lost to this gang of crooks...and ha...the number I reached Artie at wasn't in Las Vegas! ______________________________________________________________________________ Thanks gary445 for the advice, I went back and read the above and I called the resort today and talked with Artie for over one hour this afternoon. You were right he helped me understand what happened over the past year with the PRL scam that I didn't know and now I see why RCL filed the suit against them. Anyway he is very knowledgeable and seams to really care about good out come for everyone. Nice guy. ______________________________________________________________________________

There are millions of Suzans in the USA alone (not to mention the rest of the world) ..... no last name was used.

Boobier, my post above was referring to the poster Susan who claimed you were calling her a mole.

To jayjay: Those names are names that have worked with Guy Russell or Brandon B.J. Cooke - PRL. It was meant to make him wonder who the mole is that is giving out all his info. The last names should not be used at this time but will be named soon. This is just going to upset them and they will keep making mistakes.

jayjay wrote:

There are millions of Suzans in the USA alone (not to mention the rest of the world) ..... no last name was used.

I just wish everyone who doesn't have a life and continues to post on this forum would learn how to spell. Please apply the same passion that you have put into "hating" and expand your mind and palette of appropriately spelled words. Your written word is the only thing that represents you.

Sounds like Denised260 is the one who needs to get a life.

Many of the suggestions about challenging credit card charges deal with whether or not a deed was registered. However, in the most recent scam, there is no timeshare purchase involved, just a $9000 + charge for "points enhancement." How do we prove to the card company that we received nothing of value for our money?

donp196 wrote:

I agree with Jayjay. If the deed has not been recorded then your parents have no obligation. A good attorney should be able to file an appeal with BOA and get the charges reversed in your favor. Sometimes it takes an attorney to get involved before a bank will do the right thing. They bully people around thinking that they will just go away. Let them bully SHR for their money.

I didn't want to say it but I agree.

donp196 wrote:

Sounds like Denised260 is the one who needs to get a life.

Ruth.....the points have to be valid and it usually comes with ownership in some resort. You might have to do some homework to find out. What company do they claim the points are from ? Are you being charged maintenance fees ? Do some investigating and find out.

I ask the same question that- donp196- has asked ( who has had 25 years of law enforcement) . If any one is actually working on this, why has no one been contacted or interviewed . The only investigation has been in Florida. AG can monitor this sight everyday , however that actually means nothing. You would think if the scammers were worried about an investigation they would be hiding. Personally ,after a year and a half and having AG tell me they can not do anything, I do not think any one is working on this particular case.