IBD-MARKETING . HAS ANYONE HEARD OF OR DEALT WITH THEM ?

Just for your edification, it is illegal in the State of Florida for a company to receive any type of kickback from a finance company. So, again, you are spreading lies to justify stealing money from people.

toniw8 wrote:

Again, I encourage you to come in our office and tour it so you may have a better understanding of what you are talking about. As a matter of fact, we allow customers to come in face to face and not pay us until they have come into our office and are pleased with what they see. Keep in mind our goal is not a few hundred dollars, we already are a mulit-million dollar company. It's when the buyer of the timeshares go through financing we make our profits. The marketing fee (which we DO work with our clients on if need be) most of the time doesn't even cover the salaries of the employees who get everything set up for you (sales agent, person that does your verification, person that sends your contract out via certified mail, person who creates your advertisement, customer service reps that answer your questions, etc.). Our address is 4699 N Federal Highway suite 106 Pompano Beach, FL 33064. As a matter of fact, when you DO come in, we'll be more than happy to provide you with a list of clients who accepted offers on their property through our company and you may even call them yourself. How many of the other companies you've spoken with have allowed you to do this? To touch base on the high asking prices and so forth, we allow our customers to set their own asking/firm prices. Go through our website and you will see we have properties listed for as low as $2000, or rental for as low as $475. Again, please educate yourselves before putting YOUR OWN lies and deceit on this forum. However, if you feel you are speaking the truth without having any hands-on knowledge, so be it. But again, if you would like to speak with any of our SATISFIED customers as opposed to take the opinions of those who have never really been a customer of ours or had anything to do with our company period, we will be more than happy to provide you with that information.

I had a call from IBD asking to speak to my Mother about her Vistana timeshare. I listened to their garbage for about a half hour before I told them that my Mother died 4 years ago and her timeshare was sold six years ago. If you want to see some of the low price listings IBD takes just go to their site and type in Vistana in the timeshares for sale. Really sad that somebody needs money bad enough to tell a person that their Vistana will rent for $3000 or sell for $22,000.

toni, below is just one example posted from this very thread of the lies you tell your prospective clients. Now tell me, who is going to pay developer price (in this case $21,000) for a resale timeshare ..... only a fool would.

The proof is in the pudding and you're wasting your time trying to convince people here that you are a legitimate upfront fair business. Your time would be better spent trying to sell all the thousands of timeshares in your database that you've ripped people off by telling them you can get developer prices..

And, are you calling all the posters here liars when they tell how they've been ripped off by IBD?

gailt37 wrote:

We are interested in selling our timeshare with sunterra resort. I have been contacted by IBD-Marketing and they tell me I can get $21,000 for my timeshare but I have to pay upfront $882 to market it and for a title search.

You're right, why would I waste anymore of my time debating with IGNORANCE? Nobody FORCED our customers to choose their asking prices, they have every opportunity to lower them, and nobody is forcing our customers to sign up with us to begin with. But if you are such an expert in timeshare resales, why don't we see your name as a timeshare resale company owner somewhere with matched properties overnite?

And, are you calling all the buyers that have bought properties throuh our company fools?

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phill12 astutely observes, quoted verbatim: >>Why would a honest person here start a scam business like yours when most of us are trying to warn people new to timesharing!

I know this post by you was meant for another person on here but I couldn't let this one go by!

Prove your point of being a honest up right company and take your commissions after sale. Not only would we stop warning against all companies that scam owners but probably recommend these companies!

People who buy from your site probably bought at great price because after years of a unit sitting on one of your list the owners give up. They get to the point of just sell and I don't care for how much!

The people that pay these companies up front fee's are fools or in a big hurt and will try anything to get rid of their timeshare.

This is when you low-lifes jump in and lie and make promises you know you will not keep.

Also the owners have no idea in many cases of the price and I can promise you that they wouldn't pay you hundreds of dollars to sell for less so you let then know high price would sell to get them excited about selling.

You have their money through the bank within one day and then its move on to next target! << =======================================

Very well (and quite accurately) stated.

Let's just hope this upfront fee parasite and all of the so many others just like him will crawl quietly back down into whatever holes in the ground they emerged from. Let's further hope that persistent, energetic, articulate, factual and ongoing efforts to educate and protect unsuspecting people from these parasites will ultimately put ALL of them out of business --- forever! They are a blight on the timeshare landscape. NO ONE needs them. NO ONE needs to feed them. NO ONE needs to even acknowledge them. Starve them out of existence by educating the desperate and unwary timeshare seller wherever and whenever possible. If government won't do it, educated consumers can still crush these parasites entirely on their own. Without any "suckers" upon which to prey, these parasites will ultimately cease to exist. Good riddance to them all.

toniw8 wrote:

But if you are such an expert in timeshare resales, why don't we see your name as a timeshare resale company owner ... ?

I'd rather dig ditches than make my living by lying and stealing from people. Upfront fee resale companies are no better than thieves that are in prison.

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And, are you calling all the buyers that have bought properties throuh our company fools?

They are if they bought your developer asking prices. And, how do we know you've even sold anything in your inventory .... because you SAY so? I wouldn't believe anything an upfront fee resale company stated to me. Their business is based on lies.

And I think that you're enraged that people are being educated on all timeshares forums concerning your scam. Thank goodness for the internet.

Not really, just wondering why anybody should believe anything you have to say on the internet as well? Exactly where is YOUR credibility? You could be one of those "scumbags" working for another company just trying to slander the competitor for all we know. I've given you all the tools you need to contact customers who have had their properties sold through our company, YOU chose not to use them. No matter how hard you try to be the hero of the day here, We continue to match BUYERS and SELLERS. Nothing you have to say is going to change that.

And as far as the "what's our incentive" after we have their money question, our incentive is word of mouth advertising and a good reputation. It doesnt take a degree in business to figure that one out, as everybody knows word of mouth is the best/most inexpensive type of advertising you can get.

toniw8 wrote:

Not really, just wondering why anybody should believe anything you have to say on the internet as well? Exactly where is YOUR credibility? You could be one of those "scumbags" working for another company just trying to slander the competitor for all we know. I've given you all the tools you need to contact customers who have had their properties sold through our company, YOU chose not to use them. No matter how hard you try to be the hero of the day here, We continue to match BUYERS and SELLERS. Nothing you have to say is going to change that.

And as far as the "what's our incentive" after we have their money question, our incentive is word of mouth advertising and a good reputation. It doesnt take a degree in business to figure that one out, as everybody knows word of mouth is the best/most inexpensive type of advertising you can get.

Everytime you post, you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper in that big black denial hole.

Do your homework and read ALL the negative testimonials in this thread and ALL other threads concerning upfront fee resale companies .... you can do a forum search .... and just see for yourself how many people have been scammed by companies like yours, and you're right concerning the concept of WORD OF MOUTH (forums) that's getting the word out about scam companies like yours and all upfront fee resale companies.

Go to www.tug2.net and see what they have to say about upfront fee resale parasites.

And there's one thing I'm sure of concerning the laws of the universe and that's "what goes around comes around". You or someone close to you will be scammed one day by a person or a company like yours. No misdeed goes unnoticed.

jayjay wrote:

toniw8 wrote:

Not really, just wondering why anybody should believe anything you have to say on the internet as well? Exactly where is YOUR credibility? You could be one of those "scumbags" working for another company just trying to slander the competitor for all we know. I've given you all the tools you need to contact customers who have had their properties sold through our company, YOU chose not to use them. No matter how hard you try to be the hero of the day here, We continue to match BUYERS and SELLERS. Nothing you have to say is going to change that.

And as far as the "what's our incentive" after we have their money question, our incentive is word of mouth advertising and a good reputation. It doesnt take a degree in business to figure that one out, as everybody knows word of mouth is the best/most inexpensive type of advertising you can get.

Everytime you post, you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper in that big black denial hole.

Do your homework and read ALL the negative testimonials in this thread and ALL other threads concerning upfront fee resale companies .... you can do a forum search .... and just see for yourself how many people have been scammed by companies like yours, and you're right concerning the concept of WORD OF MOUTH (forums) that's getting the word out about scam companies like yours and all upfront fee resale companies.

Go to www.tug2.net and see what they have to say about upfront fee resale parasites.

And there's one thing I'm sure of concerning the laws of the universe and that's "what goes around comes around". You or someone close to you will be scammed one day by a person or a company like yours. No misdeed goes unnoticed.

You should sit at my office for one day and listen to the people who have paid upfront fee companies such as IBD, Timeshares Only, Timeshare Adventures etc and have been lied to just to collect the almighty dollar. A lot of these people are older people who trust people and give them their last dollar in hopes of selling a Vistana unit for $22,000. We send these people a list of places they can advertise for free or under $50.00. Usually we can not help them in the resale but we are available for them if they have questions. There are so many Broker websites that have scam sections and this type of forum that someday maybe the public will be informed enough that the people who are not internet active will hear word of mouth that you don't have to pay upfront fees to sell your timeshare. And you don't have to pay a company $3000-$7000 to take it off your hands. The resorts should be making their Owners aware of these rip off companies. The rule is if you have to pay ahaed of time to sell your timeshare for ANY reason you should hang up on the person, you should throw away their mailer or if you are in person you should tell them exactly what they are.

timesharejudi states, quoted only in pertinent part:

>> The resorts should be making their Owners aware of these rip off companies. <<

Hi Judi:

I believe that you are a good and decent person of sound ethics and I completely agree with your comments and assessment regarding the bottom dwelling, upfront fee "advertising" parasites.

That said however, after 20+ years of my own timeshare ownership and experience at several different resorts, I must respectfully disagree with just the portion of your statement which I've quoted above. In MY experience, resort personnel (at least the several resorts at which I've owned for many years now) don't really know a thing about these after-market parasite companies. Few resort staff personnel even know they exist at all (I doubt that many care, either). Accordingly, I respectfully submit that it's both unfair and completely unrealistic to expect the resorts to be "informing" owners about something that the resorts are generally completely unaware of in the first place. This is, quite simply, NOT in the area of resort responsibility or involvement.

I have occasionally prepared detailed articles for POA newsletter inclusion, in which I've included descriptions and warnings about the deceptive practices of these parasites. That has been an OWNER action. Resort staff (i.e., staff who are not actual owners) generally don't even know that these parasites exist in the first place.

An informed and educated consumer is certainly the best mechanism to drive these opportunistic, upfront fee parasites out of business and out of existence. However, I don't believe that it's appropriate or realistic to expect ANY resorts' staff to know about these after market parasites, or to be warning owners about them. On the contrary, I've found myself in the role of being an owner informing the resort! ======================================

Re: >> The rule is if you have to pay ahead of time to sell your timeshare for ANY reason you should hang up on the person, you should throw away their mailer or if you are in person you should tell them exactly what they are.<<

AMEN!!

How did you think I came across this thread? By NOT reading through them? I've obviously done my homework, now go ahead and do yours. I have addressed all issues brought to my attention here, and yet again, told you exactly where to find us, and speak to our buyers and sellers, and see the legitimacy of our company. I'm not saying there AREN'T scam resale companies. I worked for one myself and quit after a week (US Timeshare Management), as I did not agree with their bait and switch tactics. But isn't it a little hypocritical to tell me to do MY homework, when you have yet to do yours? Are you afraid you'll find out that I'm actually telling you the truth? And furthermore, how do you know we don't make exceptions and defer the marketing fee until AFTER the customer has accepted their offers? Again, if you would like to speak to our customers (both buyers and sellers) we will be more than happy to let you do so. Only an HONEST company would do that for anybody, because we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of. But then again, ANYTIME there is a new product on the market or idea that MIGHT actually work, skepticism is bound to arise. Some people just don't like the fact that the only thing constant in this world is change. And that's ok too, because when the whole idea of timeshare itself first came out everybody thought of what a big scam it was and so forth, but now look at how lucrative it has been and how many people actually DO own a timeshare, and how many people are purchasing timeshares for the first time. Regardless of what others opinions of it were, the resorts still to this day continue to grow and prosper, and have satisfied owners. Just because you may have had a bad experience or somebody you know did, doesn't mean everybody has. Doesn't make it right that they did, and it is those exact reasons we encourage our customers to think about how they would like their property marketed, to research our credentials (or any other company's for that matter) and so forth BEFORE they sign up with us.

Well, when I decide to sell my T/Ss, could I ask your company what to price it at so it will sell??? Will you put a price on there resorts so they will sell????

All below are elevated so stairs are optional:

Marriott ( Seaview CC ) Galloway Township, NJ called Marriott Fairway Villas, two bed 2 bath, 3 outdoor pools, 2 indoor, 2 golf courses, 12 tennis courts, Red Door Spa, full day pass use year around......gold week float- five star....approx $800 maint & taxes a week?

What should I price it at TO SELL ? (not sit)

Another Marriott ( Fords Colony Country Club-Williamsburg) Manor Club original non lockouts 2 bed 2 bath with free golf (7 rounds) and the usual CC ammenities, also day pass use year around. Plat week, 5 star approx $800 a month maint & taxes.

What price TO SELL? (not sit)

Marriott Beach Place Towers 2 bed 2 bath L/O also with day pass use, with water taxi stop in Ft Lauderdale. Red Gold Float 5 star

Price ?

Hollywood Beach Tower ( Hollywood by the Sea) 0ne bed 2 bath sleep six on beach with pools. Fixed week- Christmas with Intracoastal View. Hospitality (RCI)

Price to sell

I'm asking because I've seen some of these weeks listed by some of the REALTORS who are posting here. I know their homework was done, and I know the pricing was near ( but not at) e bay pricing........

If we do the job right, doesn't it make sense to ADVISE the person trying to sell approx what they might hope to get for their week or points?

(POINTS!!!! Do I dare ask the listing value some would advise on FF/Wyndham points???? A Wyndham Newport 189,000 points week sold on e bay for less than $800.00 - I guess the maint fees must be super high??)

Understand that timeshare is not real estate! Timeshare is a luxury item, real estate is a necessity item. Timeshare is not easy to sell because simply you own nothing but a block of time with 51 other people. Real estate companies in general try to stay away from it. People walk into real-estate agency’s everyday to buy or rent a house to live. Timeshare is one week out of the year people use to vacation only. Nobody plans on buying timeshare, did you? Real-estate agencies do not give away a 3/2 night getaway or Broadway show tickets or dinner cruise for two to look at their houses. The resorts have to in order to get people to look at their resort. The resort normally spends $300.00 - $600.00 per prospect to get a tour buy, so the resort had to spend $300.00 - $600.00 to get you to buy. You’ll have to market your unit in a similar fashion. The resorts know selling timeshare is on impulse buy, not by necessity. If it was that simple they would fire every sales person, and build the most sophisticated web site, and they would advertise everywhere to save themselves 30 %, on the commissions that they pay their sales reps, they could build new resorts everyday.

Based on the offers and inquires that we summit to you from your personal agent; you are the one who sells this. We guarantee to market and advertise the property until it sells no matter how long it takes. With the assumption of 30 to 90 days, if it takes longer we will pay for the marketing and advertising until the job is done. Based on your flexibility, we put you in contact with any offer or inquiry that comes within your asking price. The more flexible you are, the quicker you will sell your unit, if you are selling your unit for $14,000 and your agent contacts you with an offer for $13,000 and you decline it, obviously it will take a little longer to find you that “perfect” offer you are looking for. We recommend that you seriously consider accepting offers with in a 10 to 15 % of your firm price that YOU decide on, that way we are allowed to send you more offers. We call it ORO or reasonable offer.

kekouri wrote:

Well, when I decide to sell my T/Ss, could I ask your company what to price it at so it will sell??? Will you put a price on there resorts so they will sell????

All below are elevated so stairs are optional:

Marriott ( Seaview CC ) Galloway Township, NJ called Marriott Fairway Villas, two bed 2 bath, 3 outdoor pools, 2 indoor, 2 golf courses, 12 tennis courts, Red Door Spa, full day pass use year around......gold week float- five star....approx $800 maint & taxes a week?

What should I price it at TO SELL ? (not sit)

Another Marriott ( Fords Colony Country Club-Williamsburg) Manor Club original non lockouts 2 bed 2 bath with free golf (7 rounds) and the usual CC ammenities, also day pass use year around. Plat week, 5 star approx $800 a month maint & taxes.

What price TO SELL? (not sit)

Marriott Beach Place Towers 2 bed 2 bath L/O also with day pass use, with water taxi stop in Ft Lauderdale. Red Gold Float 5 star

Price ?

Hollywood Beach Tower ( Hollywood by the Sea) 0ne bed 2 bath sleep six on beach with pools. Fixed week- Christmas with Intracoastal View. Hospitality (RCI)

Price to sell

I'm asking because I've seen some of these weeks listed by some of the REALTORS who are posting here. I know their homework was done, and I know the pricing was near ( but not at) e bay pricing........

If we do the job right, doesn't it make sense to ADVISE the person trying to sell approx what they might hope to get for their week or points?

(POINTS!!!! Do I dare ask the listing value some would advise on FF/Wyndham points???? A Wyndham Newport 189,000 points week sold on e bay for less than $800.00 - I guess the maint fees must be super high??)

================================= Ken:

Just like the signs at the zoo say --- PLEASE DON'T FEED THE ANIMALS!!

In Webster's Dictionary, one of the definitions of parasite is (quoted verbatim in pertinent part):

"...a person who receives support or advantage without giving any useful or proper return.....""

I don't think I could have said it any better myself in perfectly describing these upfront fee parasites.

No one EVER needs to utilize, no one EVER needs to pay (and no one EVER has to even acknowledge the existence of) these bottom dwelling, upfront fee parasites. Starve them right out of existence and they will then (quite appropriately) cease to exist at all --- to the benefit of anyone and everyone associated in any way with the timeshare industry. They may then have to go earn a legitimate living, but such a dramatic change in lifestyle will probably be good for them.....

When you pay an up-front fee,you’re paying for a service. The fee covers all your advertising & marketing, expenses, and legal paper work. You can always do this on your own. People can buy their own leads which are names of people for telemarketers to call and e-mail address. And you will pay for a long distance phone bill, also hire a title company to do a title search and deed exchange of your unit, and also keep in mind 90% of the people who buy timeshare will need financing, you’ll have to take care of that and it will cost you. By the time you find that buyer, you have to spend more time, money, and effort to sell your unit.

There are two types of companies in the resale market: Listing companies and marketing companies. The Differences are? Listing companies do just that! They list your property on the internet, classified ads, newspaper, magazines, ect,,, you may have well as put a for sale sign on the moon. The only ones who know it is for sale is you and the person you spoke to.

Marketing companies market your timeshare by calling timeshare owners at your resort asking them if they want to buy more weeks at a discounted price. We call people that took the timeshare tour and didn’t buy, these people are called tour no buys. We also E-mail people that are interested to buy or rent timeshare. Bottom-line we find people they do not find us. How did you buy your timeshare? Thru a newspaper, classified ad, internet? Or were you found by someone giving you a free gift to take a timeshare tour? Believe us that if the resort had waited for you and 98% of the people who bought timeshare to show up at the resort, they’d still be waiting. We don’t wait, we Find..

jayjay charitably states, quoted in relevant part:

>>That's why companies such as yours are becoming known as parasites, bottom feeders, scum and theives.<<

Becoming??? ...... that's exactly what they always were and exactly what they will always be. But I guess it's correct that more and more people are REALIZING this.

I admire this particular parasites' persistence in repeatedly coming back for more and more beatings, discrediting himself further each time with flawed logic, unsupported facts, and empty, unsubstantiated and false statements and claims of "success".

Ultimately, an increasingly informed and educated consumer base will drive these parasites out of business and right out of existence. No parasite can survive without a "host" to feed upon. NO ONE ever needs these parasites in order to part with a timeshare, one way or another, and more and more people are (finally) awakening to that indisputable fact with each and every passing day. The parasites are a completely unnecessary DISservice to a seller.

Better get working on job applications, "toni" :-)

jayjay wrote:

toniw8 wrote:

Understand that timeshare is not real estate! Timeshare is a luxury item, real estate is a necessity item. Timeshare is not easy to sell because simply you own nothing but a block of time with 51 other people. Real estate companies in general try to stay away from it. People walk into real-estate agency’s everyday to buy or rent a house to live.

Legitimate real estate companies stay away from selling timeshares because they CANNOT LEGALLY CHARGE AN UPFRONT FEE like you scammers get away with by calling that fee an advertising fee, a listing fee, an appraisal fee or a marketing fee.

Timeshare resellers CANNOT obtain a real estate liciense UNLESS they charge a fee after they sell a timeshare and not before just like after they sell a house and not before.

Who in their right mind would pay an upfront fee to a real estate company to market their home? The answer is nobody would and the same law should be in place for timeshare upfront fee resell scammers.

That's why companies such as yours are becoming known as parasites, bottom feeders, scum and theives.

Every advisor I know says to pay for a service AFTER results are completed. If they need a SMALL amount upfront....OK....I guess they need a 'little bit'...but the biggest payoff should happen at the end of the transaction.

Most of the year, I live in NJ, and I guarantee this state says timeshares and fractional use with a deed IS REAL ESTATE. And no one in the state can sell or buy Real Estate without a Realtor.....except when the OWNER deals directly with a Buyer.

Any fees obtained from the direct ot indirect sale of realty is a violation f state law....so, I don't know if you could legally have your firm sell a unit in NJ to another in NJ.....but if you want, I could check with the Commission.

( And to think they came to arrest me because I might get 40,000 points from Marriott for a referral to sell a T/S....) ( As a referral, I was an agent for Marriott....no $$$ but a reward counts...if a NJ person bought while I live here, and I was the referral....you can guess the rest. (If I has a RE license, it would be OK to get those Marriott Reward points).

Working to fix Florida's laws, and it will come about.

toniw8 wrote:

And if anybody could produce a web-page, then why don't you have YOUR OWN website telling the public exactly how you feel, instead of coming to this one, it's that easy right?

Because Redweek gets thousands of hits a day and is the #1 timeshare site on all search engines. I have no need for a webpage with the success of Redweek's forums in getting the word out about your upfront scam.

I can understand why paul left your company. He came to these forums with the same spiel as you did a couple of months back and we told him what a scam upfront fee resale companies are. He evidently took our word for it and left your company. He was smart, unlike you, who continue to defend your sleazy operation.

Oh, btw my real name is John Q. Doe.