Getting rid of your timeshare

I wonder if the IRS is aware that no timeshare is worth $5000:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6719295_report-charitable-fraud-irs.html

jayjay wrote:

DRK (you can change your screen name here but you can't run from the TRUTH = also you might look up the word syntax). On TUG they call your operation a Viking Ship .... that pretty much explains how your scam works.

Again, Charity Navigator has no such listing of your socalled charity .... BTW, I don't follow and worship money like you evidently do using scams.

I tried Marty. Looks like jayjay hasnt gotten the memo.

traudem wrote:

jayjay wrote:

garym480 wrote:

I decided to go ahead and try CHT. I need to make a decision due to other constraints but theirs seems to be the most straight forward process. I took into account all thats been said previously both good and bad about them and formed some personal views on each. Paranoia and a good amount of skepticism is always good when you do something youve never done before. The best I could do is look at each of the issues and try and mitigate the bad ones the best I could. I derived a lot of good information on Redweek about what to look out for, have tried all the obvious alternatives and a few not so apparent. It came down to what I ultimately want with an ROI I can live with. I intend to update my progress over the next several months, answering questions and throwing in some commentary along the way. Im seeing some parallels with getting rid of a TS by whatever means and things we all face in everyday life, but never notice. No one has to read my views/drival (take your pick, I dont care), just turn the channel or stay tuned. To be crystal clear, my intent isnt to promote CHT, I have no affiliation with them and have proven it to authoritative parties and can do the same to those that are still the skeptics. Theres very little 'actual' info out there on success stories, a lot on the ones that werent. Maybe by this effort I hope to provide one of the good ones. Make no mistake. I enjoyed the TS and went into it with both eyes open. Its a fabulous place. But wisdom evolves from experience and its time to move on.

DRK's charity is not even a charity .... I checked out Charity Navigtor and his Nevada charity is not even listed:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.alpha&ltr=C

Of course, DRK's charity is not a legitimate organization, we have tried to warn owners about his scam, however, too many folks fall for it and seem to be of the same "ILK" as DRK. Dishonest and lacking integrity!!!

It was mentioned that I might donate my deeded timeshare with Diamond Resorts (Los Abrigados, Sedona) to charity. Does anyone know a charity that would take it?

pollys15 wrote:

It was mentioned that I might donate my deeded timeshare with Diamond Resorts (Los Abrigados, Sedona) to charity. Does anyone know a charity that would take it?

garym480 wrote:

pollys15 wrote:

It was mentioned that I might donate my deeded timeshare with Diamond Resorts (Los Abrigados, Sedona) to charity. Does anyone know a charity that would take it?

Being deeded will make it easier but you still need to do your homework. Lots of good info on these forums but dont take any suggestion as a formula for success. (including mine) Give yourself some limitations. The standard is 'dont give upfront money'. Good luck with that one! If you have too, (depending what you motives are) make sure its small and goes into an escrow account by a 3rd party title company to be paid once its out of your name. Another is ‘dont sign over a power of attorney’. Maintain a semblance of control throughout. Understand the process. It will take a while and no one will promise a timeline. And last, don’t assume anything. Get answers in writing (at least its better then verbal). Youll get a lot of subjective information, comments and opinions. Youll develop one yourself based on those. Hopefully its working with a charity that does what they say they will, but only let real facts improve upon your plan. It all comes down to probabilities for success. Very little real truth out there to rely on. As an example. Florida recently passed legislation on TS scammers. Pam Bondi's done a terrific job trying to corral it. That makes the probability greater, by working with a company/charity in Florida due to the scrutiny. There one there I liked run by Thomas Bell but is not a charity. Again, no guarantees.

What do you determine is a small amount? $900 isn't a small amount in my book by any stretch of the imagination that CHT charges for their scam.

Again, CHT is not even listed as a CHARITY on Charity Navigator.

jayjay wrote:

What do you determine is a small amount? $900 isn't a small amount in my book by any stretch of the imagination that CHT charges for their scam.

Again, CHT is not even listed as a CHARITY on Charity Navigator.

garym480 wrote:

jayjay wrote:

What do you determine is a small amount? $900 isn't a small amount in my book by any stretch of the imagination that CHT charges for their scam.

Again, CHT is not even listed as a CHARITY on Charity Navigator.

Pollys15 Oh, I forgot to mention. If you do decide on donating to a charity and announce it here, expect some criticism from gingin (oops, sorry, I mean jayjay). Misinformation and obvious bias against people that would even consider getting out of their timeshare by whatever means will be leveled at you. Ex: CHT ‘charges’ $500, not $900, among several. Suggest staying focused on your goal. Separate the need to no longer own it and the tax deduction you may or may not get. And by the way, you do itemize on Sch A don’t you? Kinda important you know. Ill have more updates on my progress directly.

They charge $500 and $400 for closing = $900 the last time I checked.

You are either DRK or a shill from the same scam operation. You tried advertising your scam on TUG, but it didn't work did it? You were recognized as a scam right off the bat.

From Denise M - Tug member and moderator:

"The attorneys on TUG have reported that the Viking Ship LLC's are illegal and also make it more difficult and expensive for the resort to reacquire the property. Since some resorts are catching on to this scheme and refusing to record deeds from such entities, it could leave you hanging in limbo, with your deed still recorded with the resort, and all fees still under your name as well. In which case, they could still turn you over to collections.

In my opinion, this scheme is both illegal and unethical - I certainly wouldn't use them".

Yes, I was booted off TUG for disagreeing with a moderator .... that was back when they were very strict .... now it seems most anything goes ..... people disagree and argue with moderators all the time with no repercussions.

I'm not ashamed of being booted and would do it all over again in a NY minute = I stand by my principles.

Also, in the same thread you're referring to on TUG concerning CHT, one poster (a detractor of mine) said that although he didn't agree with me on most subjects that I was RIGHT ON SPOT about CHT, so your research on TUG has backfired on you.

Again, CHT is not listed as any sort of charity on Charity Navigator but it's called a charity by your organization = fraud plain and simple, and one day you'll be caught and shut down like many timeshare scam operations are being shut down and hopefully criminal charges will be filed against you.

garym480 wrote:

Maintain a semblance of control throughout. Understand the process. It will take a while and no one will promise a timeline. And last, don’t assume anything.

The shill above says, "It will take a while and no one will promise a timeline. And last, don't assume anything."

No one can promise a timeline = the process takes 3 years then the timeshare goes into foreclosure due to non payment of maintenance fees .... that pretty much explains their scam operation. But he's right when he says, "don't assume anything" = smoke and mirrors from CHT.

jayjay wrote:

No one can promise a timeline = the process takes 3 years then the timeshare goes into foreclosure due to non payment of maintenance fees .... that pretty much explains their scam operation. But he's right when he says, "don't assume anything" = smoke and mirrors from CHT.

Now where was I. Im into day nine from when I started. It began when I had my signatures ready on the CHT documents. Im counting holidays and weekends as well, not just business days so that’s about 30% of duration not being vested in actual progress. So when someone says it takes 3 months to do something, its only around 2 months of working opportunity. Helps keep my perspective intact. The short conversation with the closing agent went well. A ‘contract’ will be drawn up defining all the expenses that go into escrow. Ive called my county recorded so I know what their process requires. If your wondering why Im not giving out names etc (closing agent, TS, county), I want to limit any suggestion that this is an advertisement of some kind. Once the process is complete, Ill divulge all of that (if necessary), as its more important to focus on the process right now. Im using elements of a Baysian theorem, to fill in probabilities for myself where no empirical data exists. Its not rocket science, though NASA used it for the early years developing parameters for space travel. Whoa, so I guess it is rocket science! Im simply trying to donate my timeshare to CHT in a simple, Ockham’s razor type way. (and yes, CHT is a charity). Since I felt DRK won the argument over the several months it took him to do it(!), I have to have a belief the process to work, as stated in order to commit. That is not rocket science. The only argument I saw that was left unsettled was where TS owners will be left with increased MFs due to foreclosures, abandonment, etc. Ive some views on that I think blow that argument out of the water (or at the least, more palatable). It would be great to have 'respectable' discourse and views, opposing or not. I hope that’s not asking too much.

garym480 wrote:

jayjay wrote:

No one can promise a timeline = the process takes 3 years then the timeshare goes into foreclosure due to non payment of maintenance fees .... that pretty much explains their scam operation. But he's right when he says, "don't assume anything" = smoke and mirrors from CHT.

Again with misinformation. ~$400 is what you would pay any closing agent to change title. CHT doesnt charge that. It could even be upwards on ~$700 including transfer fees. These are fixed costs for someone willing to pay to get rid of it by their own choice. Also by definition, CHT isnt a 'Viking Ship' as you call it, review your Nordic history. One last thing to clear up. You should check with Marty. He knows Im not a shill or associated with CHT. You must not have gotten the memo. Im just someone thats exploring all avenues and trying to get through subjective opinion like yours to other truths people can believe if they like, if they just do their research.

You protest too much not be affiliated with CHT (that you claim to know nothing about but what you've been told by them but you supposedly believe it hook, line and sinker - Yeah Right!) OR you're affiliated with another scam like his.

And one more time CHT is not a charity (Charity Navigator) but they claim to be a charity = fraud, PERIOD, not to speak of postal fraud if anything is sent by CHT via the USPS. You haven't addressed this issue at all.

I have received nothing from Marty .... I don't believe Marty or anyone else affiliated with Redweek would condone a socalled charity that's not even a charity .... if they did I would immediately discontinue my association with Redweek's forums, because I am here mainly to warn people about scams involving the timeshare industry and to try to educate people on the subject of timeshare weeks (I know nothing about all the differnt point systems however .... that's why I never post in that category).

Tug doesn't allow known scams/fraud to advertise on their website.

-----Original Message----- From: Marty via RT [mailto:support@mail.redweek.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:43 PM To: Mxxxx Gary Subject: [redweek.com #146656] [Customer Service] Donating a timeshare post

...............Just be very careful when trying to get rid of your timeshare. I'm glad to see you are doing your homework on our forums. Wish more people did. I'll contact JayJay and let her know that you are not a shill.

Thank you, Marty

garym480 wrote:

-----Original Message----- From: Marty via RT [mailto:support@mail.redweek.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:43 PM To: Mxxxx Gary Subject: [redweek.com #146656] [Customer Service] Donating a timeshare post

...............Just be very careful when trying to get rid of your timeshare. I'm glad to see you are doing your homework on our forums. Wish more people did. I'll contact JayJay and let her know that you are not a shill.

Thank you, Marty

Hi Gary,

I'm so sorry...I did create a message to JayJay on the 15th and thought I sent it. I failed to enter the email address so she didn't receive it the first time. My apologies. I'll send it to her.

Marty

marty8084 wrote:

garym480 wrote:

-----Original Message----- From: Marty via RT [mailto:support@mail.redweek.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:43 PM To: Mxxxx Gary Subject: [redweek.com #146656] [Customer Service] Donating a timeshare post

...............Just be very careful when trying to get rid of your timeshare. I'm glad to see you are doing your homework on our forums. Wish more people did. I'll contact JayJay and let her know that you are not a shill.

Thank you, Marty

Hi Gary,

I'm so sorry...I did create a message to JayJay on the 15th and thought I sent it. I failed to enter the email address so she didn't receive it the first time. My apologies. I'll send it to her.

Marty

He knows too much about CHT and he defends it far too much although he hasn't even gone through their process .... he must be an owner of another scam operation of the same genre .... they're everywhere .... I can guarantee you that if you close that thread then he (or another scam operator) will be back under another screen name. BTW, did you not see where CHT is not even a charity at Charity Navigator yet CHT advertises themselves as a charity = fraud, plain and simple yet this Gary condones them and you continue to permit him to do so on Redweek's forums.

Those scam operators are not only a menace to resorts as they tell people plain and simple that they have no intention of paying maintenance fees leaving the other owners taking up the slack, but they are also a menace to the IRS and they will be caught eventually.

I now see that Redweek advertises such scams/fraud operations but they certainly should not be advertised in the forums (supposedly not allowed). I hadn't noticed them before but I looked to the right side of my screen. I should hope that Redweek discontinues their advertising of such scams/fraud ..... money isn't everything .... however integrity is.

Tug does not allow scams to be advertised on their website. Redweek has a stellar reputation in the timeshare world .... I wouldn't want to see it diminished by their advertising scams/fraud.

Some of them might be Google ads. RedWeek, TUG and others don't necessarily court these outfits to advertise on the websites. Here is a thread on TUG with the administrator explaining this a little bit:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1246523#post1246523

lancec13 wrote:

Some of them might be Google ads. RedWeek, TUG and others don't necessarily court these outfits to advertise on the websites. Here is a thread on TUG with the administrator explaining this a little bit:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1246523#post1246523

Thanks Lance for pointing that out ..... I still read TUG's forums but I evidently missed that thread.