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Thank you latoyac7 for the reply. I am planning get as many resources to address this problem as I can. We have been Land'or members since 1998 and are really tired of dumping more money into a bottomless pit. We are both seniors and not able to travel as well as we could plus paying for Land'or sucks up the little bit of spair cash we have that could be used to visit family. I hope no one minds but I am collecting e-mail address from this site. I have wondered in the passed how to contact other Land 'or members. I am a subscriber to Tmesharing Today but hav'nt seen any topic like this in their magazine. Thanks everyone